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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 10:12:39 GMT -1
I was thinking last night about the nature of tribe and community and one thing that occurred to me and then nagged at me all night is that one thing we're missing, mostly because of physical distance, is the chance to offer support to people we'd consider valued members of our tribe. We're very lucky to have (and have had in the past) access to the skills, knowledge and hospitality of people that have given freely of all of those things, in a tribal community the time and energy dedicated to honing those skills to share with others would be honoured with support from the tribe when it was needed. So, I was wondering if there's any way we could organise something so that those of us that can afford to offer a bit of support to people who, through illness or old age, can no longer support themselves and/or their families with the skills they've made their life's work. Maybe an actual charity where people could nominate individuals they felt needed and deserved such assistance, or even just a seperate forum where we could bring situations like this to each other's attention and co-ordinate some form of response. It'd be good to do something, it doesn't feel honourable to accept so freely the skills and knowledge of a person and then let them fall by the wayside when we could be honouring those gifts with our support.
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Post by luthien on Oct 21, 2008 10:32:13 GMT -1
Hi Draighean, Its a good point to bring up. What about a video link to occasions and training programmes. You could set up a link in here or send a disk to members. I am interested in learning more and would live to come see you all down south but money and time prevents me. I have often wanted and thought about travelling around to different locations for events as a group so that everyone gets to meet up. I think that this would be good as an educational resource to the ways of different locations. As we know there are many different landscapes in the uk that hold different aspects to the ways of the path. Maybe locations can be selected for different times of the year to gather?
Just throwing a few bones
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Post by arth_frown on Oct 21, 2008 10:32:52 GMT -1
I think setting up local a Aelwyd is a good idea. From there you could do voluntary work
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 10:49:27 GMT -1
I think it'd be better as part of Brython, honouring the time, work or skills we feel have been meaningful would be better done as a group. Many of the people we view as the wisest, most skilful or hospitable are also dear friends that we'd all want to be able to reach a hand to when it's needed.
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Post by luthien on Oct 21, 2008 14:13:05 GMT -1
I would agree. But if we all travelled around as Brythons to these different places for educational or gathering purposes many more new faces would become familiar creating a bigger Brython community. Then we get a more diverse and evolving environment as we learn from different places and people. By no means do I mean just anybody but those as you say are Brython that can share new ideas and their landscapes. The different corners of England could each host a festival or gathering that we all make a pilgrimage to, for the peoples / landscapes history and relevance.
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Post by littleraven on Oct 21, 2008 14:54:06 GMT -1
I would agree. But if we all travelled around as Brythons to these different places for educational or gathering purposes many more new faces would become familiar creating a bigger Brython community. Then we get a more diverse and evolving environment as we learn from different places and people. By no means do I mean just anybody but those as you say are Brython that can share new ideas and their landscapes. The different corners of England could each host a festival or gathering that we all make a pilgrimage to, for the peoples / landscapes history and relevance. BB Luthien England?
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Post by Lee on Oct 21, 2008 14:58:13 GMT -1
I would agree. But if we all travelled around as Brythons to these different places for educational or gathering purposes many more new faces would become familiar creating a bigger Brython community. Then we get a more diverse and evolving environment as we learn from different places and people. By no means do I mean just anybody but those as you say are Brython that can share new ideas and their landscapes. The different corners of England could each host a festival or gathering that we all make a pilgrimage to, for the peoples / landscapes history and relevance. BB Luthien England? *edges towards the doorway whilst bracing myself to run like hell*
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Post by Tegernacus on Oct 21, 2008 15:13:56 GMT -1
ah, mere slip of the tongue due to cultural conditioning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 15:18:56 GMT -1
*edges towards the doorway whilst bracing myself to run like hell* Sure you don't want some of this popcorn?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 15:30:16 GMT -1
I would agree. But if we all travelled around as Brythons to these different places for educational or gathering purposes many more new faces would become familiar creating a bigger Brython community. Then we get a more diverse and evolving environment as we learn from different places and people. By no means do I mean just anybody but those as you say are Brython that can share new ideas and their landscapes. The different corners of England could each host a festival or gathering that we all make a pilgrimage to, for the peoples / landscapes history and relevance. There's already a thread on gatherings. The focus of this thread was meant to be specifically on setting up some form of support for aged or ill individuals that have made a meaningful contribution to Brython that we feel should be honoured. For example, those that have devoted their life to learning a craft in order to share it with the community and relied on it for their income, but can no longer support themselves and would benefit from our assistance. Didn't I make that clear?
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Post by Blackbird on Oct 21, 2008 16:15:28 GMT -1
I was just talking about this with someone the other night. His suggestion was that we talk about what skills we have and would be willing to share or skill-swap. Assisting people could definitely be a part of that.
The problem with being a geographically scattered community is that you can't easily create the interdependence that serves to bind people together. Swapping skills or offering help among ourselves locally is a great idea.
BTW, where are you, Luthien? We're not all Darn Sarf here...
I don't think we need to trek around Britain offering stuff - but it might be good eventually to do stuff in the wider community once Brython is established. Stuff like litter picking, helping people with their gardens or shopping - all that is a good way to contribute to the wider society. But also to have our own internal network of skills and assistance as suggested.
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Post by luthien on Oct 21, 2008 16:31:59 GMT -1
Sorry if I have gotten anything wrong. You have made things very clear.....And I respect the ethos here. I was only throwing some seeds. I have been reading up as much as I can around the different threads scattered here and there, trying to establish how social you all are....as we aint met! and thought Id share a thought or two to get chatting. However if you prefer, Ill button it and go play in the corner! I am originally from Bedfordshire bought up in Cornwall and now live in the north east. I would quite like to live in the Lake District and have a dream of building a little community there.........yeah I know a bit fluffy! I don’t usually do fluffy but a lass has to dream eh!? With good intentions Luthien
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Post by arth_frown on Oct 21, 2008 17:29:24 GMT -1
Sorry if I have gotten anything wrong. You have made things very clear.....And I respect the ethos here. I was only throwing some seeds. I have been reading up as much as I can around the different threads scattered here and there, trying to establish how social you all are....as we aint met! and thought Id share a thought or two to get chatting. However if you prefer, Ill button it and go play in the corner! Please don't button it. We are all here to share and prepare to be wrong, that's how we learn. Well that's how I learn. What you can expect here is honesty, not someone telling you what you want to hear. Doesn't sound fluffy to me.
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Post by Adam on Oct 21, 2008 19:57:32 GMT -1
Ill button it and go play in the corner! Why do I get the feeling that nobody puts Luthien in a corner?
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Post by Craig on Oct 21, 2008 20:45:08 GMT -1
Luthien - get out of that corner right now! You have made some very important points about the meaning of tribe and I am hapy to see someone raising this issue. What you are proposing is aspirational but not yet practicable. This does not mean that, as the tribe grows larger and closer, we should not do this - quite the contrary in my opinion. We need to discuss this and a lot of other tribal institutions over the coming dark months. Keep it coming...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 22:29:21 GMT -1
Sorry if I have gotten anything wrong. You have made things very clear.....And I respect the ethos here. I was only throwing some seeds. I have been reading up as much as I can around the different threads scattered here and there, trying to establish how social you all are....as we aint met! and thought Id share a thought or two to get chatting. However if you prefer, Ill button it and go play in the corner! Don't do that on my account. I was a unnecessarily snappish there. I'll sit in the corner until I've stopped resembling an old dragon with a thorn in her paw. My apologies Luthien.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 22:38:21 GMT -1
The problem with being a geographically scattered community is that you can't easily create the interdependence that serves to bind people together. That's what's been nagging at me. I was thinking about an old friend and his family last night (I'll leave out the names, because we're on a public forum!) that had to give up his craft because of illness and wondering what I could do to make things easier for him and his family and it came down to financial assistance, because the physical distance is too great to do anything else on a regular basis. And of course the idea grew as I realised I probably wasn't the only person that would want to reach out a hand and I got to thinking about how viable it would be to incorporate some kind of project along those lines - not so we could support all and sundry, but so that we have a net in place to catch those whose skills we've benefitted from over the years when they fall on hard times. I'm not sure how practical it would be or if it's something anyone would want or be able to commit to though.
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Post by potia on Oct 22, 2008 8:52:36 GMT -1
I think it's a great idea and one to keep thinking on. The phrases safety net and network triggered an idea that might help. What about developing a database of contacts in different areas that would be willing to help out with stuff?
Some of you know each other well and are close enough to visit or meet at a pub fairly often. Others of us are much more distant but may be able to offer support in the way of a bit of money or particular knowledge and skills. For some situations simply knowing the systems can be a help and advice on the end of a phone is a simple thing to offer.
There are issues with data protection for keeping and maintaing such a database but I don't think that should be a barrier. Practically one or two folk could maintain a database and anyone needing help or advice on a particular issue (or knowing of someone else in need perhaps) could contact the holder of the database with their need. Database coordinator does a search or two pulls out a list of names and either contacts all on the list with the needs for help or passes the names to the person in need. Something like this should not replace face to face local interations but could be an additional resource.
Just an idea.
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Post by luthien on Oct 22, 2008 10:04:22 GMT -1
I was a unnecessarily snappish there. I'll sit in the corner until I've stopped resembling an old dragon with a thorn in her paw. My apologies Luthien. No need! We all snap! Im enjoying the give and take A database is a good idea for when a majority require it. But on a smaller scale what about a contact point...be it email, fax, phone, postal? bb Luthien
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