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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 11:13:07 GMT -1
Actually I thought that the 25th was supposed to be on the Solstice, and that the Roman Calender was flawed. ... Not sure where I mistakedly picked that up from . Now I know better. Originally the solstice was on the 25th. But the Roman calendar was notoriously inaccurate (Easter in September, Julius inserting July to try and catch up etc). The solstice got later and later every year, so the Pope (forget the year) changed the calendar so that the solstice falls (approx) on the 21st every year (give or take a day or three). I suspect he could have worked a calendar to make the solstice fall on the 25th every year, but he had his reasons (practical/religious/political) for not doing so.
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 11:17:10 GMT -1
aha, a quick Wikipedia search and you have the answer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice#Dateinteresting, in that the calendar is still slightly variable: It goes from 23rd to 20th (over the course of 3000 year cycles) - so it's still fairly accurate. Clever Pope
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Post by alfvin on Dec 21, 2008 12:12:09 GMT -1
Sadly, I can't be with you and celebrated Norse style last night. Although today is like a summers day in England, it feels a bit like cheating but I wish all of you a Happy Yule.
Alfvin
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 12:27:50 GMT -1
summer? It's the darkest, dreariest, wettest... crappest... day we've had so far! Very fitting. And it's going to get a lot darker soon...
anyone know why the druids celebrated the sunrise this morning? I thought they were supposed to observe the sunset?
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Post by maglowyllt on Dec 21, 2008 14:12:19 GMT -1
Thanks Tegernacus, that explains it to me better. The concept of the three observances of Eponalia, today and the 24th is something that Brython has just invented though right? Theres no historical evidence of the solstice ever being celebrated in this way?
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 14:24:15 GMT -1
well, given that we don't know what the Britons called the solstice (they did celebrate it, megalithic alignments show this) we borrowed from the Romans (since they were here too, and these holi-days were celebrated here).
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 14:33:29 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 17:54:58 GMT -1
The members of Clas Brython wish to offer an invitation to the wider community of CF to join them in our Mid Winter triple Toast. It would be considered good manners and correct for people to post here to acknowledge they wish to join us in observance of our triple toast.
Thank You for the invitation, we'll be joining you tonight and 24th.
Lovely words to recite...
Moonhare.
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Post by arth_frown on Dec 21, 2008 19:49:13 GMT -1
In typical fashion the sky was cloudy here for the sunset
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 21, 2008 20:15:20 GMT -1
we had a fantastically eerie sunset.. the cloud broke on the horizon, so you could see the sunset, then fog, then low orange cloud and rain, and the hint of a rainbow. Fantastic!
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Post by redraven on Dec 21, 2008 20:34:25 GMT -1
That's in reverse to here in Notts then, sunrise was a fantastic red, sunset was cloudy. Glad you could join us then, Moonhare!
RR
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Post by sehnga on Dec 22, 2008 8:26:48 GMT -1
A very cold (-3.8c) calm night with a slight wind from the south. Too overcast for a light show at sunset, unfortunately. We normally have the most amazing sunsets from our 6,000 ft mountain elevation, but alas, not this evening.
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 22, 2008 11:43:00 GMT -1
this weekend the Pope acknowleged the uncanny timing between Christmas and the solstice, as well as pointing out the astronomical alignment for the Vatican itself. www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/22/pope_galileo/Hmmm... even the Pope has gone all Pagan. Whatever next?
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Post by Heron on Dec 23, 2008 10:46:00 GMT -1
Thick mist wreathed the Cambrian Mountains and a steady drizzle fell on the Wye stream that rushed as a torrent from Pumlummon as the invisible Sun's light faded.
Later, at my garden altar, it was drizzling still but then I went in to a bright hearth fire and a candle that burned through the night and I hailed you all with my wassail!
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Post by maglowyllt on Dec 23, 2008 23:14:56 GMT -1
Good to see the pope acoknowledging the solstice, though I hardly think you can actually accuse him of "going pagan" ! I'd like to thank you for the invitation again, I had a very eventful solstice rite, and I hope tonight goes well for you all.
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 25, 2008 18:09:35 GMT -1
fantastically bright and sunny day today - Sol Invictus indeed!
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Post by Tegernacus on Dec 31, 2008 17:50:03 GMT -1
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Post by redraven on Jan 5, 2009 7:23:44 GMT -1
OK, time has passed since our ritual, may I ask, what were your impressions? My over-riding lasting impression was a very strong feeling of focussed intent when reciting our ritual. This was a very positive feeling and the whole period was very stimulating, brain seemed to go into overdrive, so to speak. Does anyone else wish to share their experiences?
RR
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Post by Adam on Jan 5, 2009 9:09:44 GMT -1
quiet... the earth didn't move but I wasn't expecting it too... what it did do for me was focus my mind very much on why I never quite "got" the solstice alone as a celebration and why, when you remove the commercialism, I quite like the madness that is now called Christmas, and it helped me focus on that in a way that blended it nicely with a developing pagan perspective. I think I missed something by not making the effort to participate in all three toasts and next time I would do so, even if the timings didn't quite match with everyone else.
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