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Post by pwca on Feb 19, 2009 20:36:42 GMT -1
"For me, the really interesting part was that these photons seemed to be originating and being controlled by, the DNA in our cells, which for me, was a neat twist. So, we have an energy web, we have ourselves creating energy through light particles and waves, do we have a process whereas we can see an interaction between the two?"
Considering I haven't worked out how to get words into a box the following may seem a bit of a cheek..
(not a scientist).. so is this related to the Schroediger's Cat hypothesis in which the cat in the box is both alive and dead and it is the act of looking that is the intervention that kind of collapses possibility into reality...loosely? ..and is 'zero point field' anywhere near the temperature that nuclear fusion occurs?
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Post by Lee on Feb 19, 2009 22:14:25 GMT -1
nuclear fusion happens at hot hot hot (three times for emphasis), see the sun, temperatures.
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Post by arth_frown on Feb 20, 2009 9:57:03 GMT -1
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Post by pwca on Feb 20, 2009 18:55:25 GMT -1
re:hot hot hot..the sun er, yeah.. should have put 'temperature needed for experiments on..' as in 'hot on the inside and cold on the outside' (backs away quietly) (head round door) and they have to sit by the fridge to even think about it...(motion blur)
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Post by redraven on Feb 20, 2009 19:46:59 GMT -1
i dont think you are being a pain in the arse. the thing is, most of the stuff you post on here is fringe science, pseudo-science or indeed total nonsense (e.g morphogenic fields) the problem is that such things are built on shaky foundations and can come crashing down with further research, this starts to be a problem when you use such ideas to base your religous paradigm on. what happens to it when the 'scientific foundations' of it are shown to be shit? if you want to look to science, look for the solid, tried and tested theories. those are the ones we can call "facts" and "truth" if ever there was a time to do so in science. I take your points, Lee, however, there is a lot of this stuff out there, not all of it is bollocks, and if the ideas get addressed here, even if it just to point out the aforementioned statement is warranted, at least it has been considered. I do feel that this is a good place to bring up new ideas, and as such, I will continue to do so, to the annoyance of some, no doubt, and I honestly believe quantum mechanics to offer some substance to the matters of the spiritual, which, IMO, can only be a good thing (with proper consideration, of course!). As to this stuff forming my religious paradigm, no, I have a set of basics to do that. If this stuff supports that with good evidential material, I may try some experimental stuff, but it will never form the foundations for my belief's. RR
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Post by redraven on Feb 20, 2009 20:03:08 GMT -1
(not a scientist).. so is this related to the Schroediger's Cat hypothesis in which the cat in the box is both alive and dead and it is the act of looking that is the intervention that kind of collapses possibility into reality...loosely? I believe that particular scenario to apply to the observer effect, that the act of observance creates a set of defined potentials. ..and is 'zero point field' anywhere near the temperature that nuclear fusion occurs? I think you may be thinking of this..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion which is not what I was referring to. What has been observed is an organizing effect upon totally random and pre organized matter into one previously unknown field. RR
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Post by Lee on Feb 20, 2009 20:04:35 GMT -1
. I do feel that this is a good place to bring up new ideas, and as such, I will continue to do so, to the annoyance of some, no doubt, and I honestly believe quantum mechanics to offer some substance to the matters of the spiritual, which, IMO, can only be a good thing (with proper consideration, of course!). RR and when you do i will always be here to discuss it of course something to bear in mind when thinking about QM, a famous quote: "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you dont undersstand quantum mechanics" it is a vast and mindboggling aspect to physics.
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Post by redraven on Feb 21, 2009 5:58:21 GMT -1
and when you do i will always be here to discuss it of course Yes, I've noticed whenever I volunteer to wear the emperor's new clothes, it's either you or Francis who say "Why is that man walking round bollock naked?" something to bear in mind when thinking about QM, a famous quote: "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you dont undersstand quantum mechanics" substitute QM for religion / spirituality RR PS, stop dissing my morphogenic field, I've told you before, my dragon egg tarot has confirmed it's effectiveness. ( RR gathers up his full length genuine reproduction dragon skin cloak and elegantly leaves the building, unaware some bastard has cut out the arse section of his cloak!)
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Post by Adam on Feb 28, 2009 18:16:40 GMT -1
For interest sake www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126975.800-how-to-spot-a-hidden-religious-agenda.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-newsFor what its worth, I have no problem with philosophy starting with science... QM raises some very interesting philosphical issues regarding identity for example. But I do think it important to differentiate science, metaphysics and philosophy. IMO, what you are raisng are philosophical questions related to metaphysics. Just because you can reference the thinking with lay interpretations of quantum mechanics doesn't make them science. They are still philosophical questions related to metaphysics. And that's fine. But not science ;D
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Post by Midori on Mar 2, 2009 15:02:07 GMT -1
Ok, I don't have much problem with Lee and Potia's ideas, I am mainly a follower of the 'everything is interconnected' theory, also the 'Everything is related' theory, whereby all the tiny bits that make us all have been formed, broken down and reformed so many thousands of times that we are all related at a basic level.
Watching a programme recently on tectonic plate movements, a theory was put forward that Iceland is a totally new (in geological history terms) piece of land, and sits on a stationary upwelling of magma, accounting for it's very volcanic nature. Unlike Hawaii though, Iceland is not moving off the edge of the plate, due to the local tectonic activity, as it has come about at a place where two plates join and where there is little plate drift.
The upwelling of magma beneath it seems composed of many 'plumes' of magma, and shows a hexagonal formation, not unlike the Giant's Causeway, (also honeycombs), I realise that this occurs when circular masses interact with each other.
You are almost certainly saying 'So What!' by now, and I think I may have lost the thread of this, but what I am trying to say is that things occur in cyclic fashion, circles, hexagons and spirals, in all areas of life.
Good seasons are followed by bad seasons, empires and civilisations rise and fall, all goes around and comes back around, in every aspect of life.
Personally, I follow the cycles, without bothering named gods, honouring the Spirits of Place.
For me, that is enough, nowadays, I've outgrown Public Rituals, mucking about with pointy sharp things and bonfires in the woods.
Cheers, Midori
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Post by Lee on Mar 2, 2009 15:43:38 GMT -1
when i get to this stage, it will mean i have grown tired of life and am ready to die.
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Post by megli on Mar 2, 2009 20:07:01 GMT -1
when i get to this stage, it will mean i have grown tired of life and am ready to die. hear hear!
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Post by Midori on Mar 3, 2009 13:25:00 GMT -1
Hi Lee and Megli,
You are both right, 'tired of life and ready to die' was how I was feeling when I wrote that bit. I'm just feeling so discouraged with Life, The Universe and Everything.
I guess I am being somewhat disingenuous in saying that I am fed up with mucking around with pointy sharp things, etc., when the fact is I'm annoyed that currently I can't!
This is due to the cataracts and the Fibromyalgia, which have put a severe crimp in my interaction with the Land, along with the 'brain fog' that comes along with Fibro. I cannot safely go out alone, and it's turning me into a very Grumpy Old Crone!
Also, due to the credit crunch, I am no nearer moving to Sussex, although the house awaits, but to fund the repairs, I must sell the one I'm currently in. Only then can I get the repairs done to me, also!
I'll go away and mutter in my corner, mumble, grumble, grunt! (Young people today, rotten weather, bloody banks, lousy politicians, etc., ad nauseum)
Cheers, Midori
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Post by Heron on Mar 3, 2009 20:06:35 GMT -1
Hi Lee and Megli, You are both right, 'tired of life and ready to die' was how I was feeling when I wrote that bit. I'm just feeling so discouraged with Life, The Universe and Everything. I guess I am being somewhat disingenuous in saying that I am fed up with mucking around with pointy sharp things, etc., when the fact is I'm annoyed that currently I can't! This is due to the cataracts and the Fibromyalgia, which have put a severe crimp in my interaction with the Land, along with the 'brain fog' that comes along with Fibro. I cannot safely go out alone, and it's turning me into a very Grumpy Old Crone! Also, due to the credit crunch, I am no nearer moving to Sussex, although the house awaits, but to fund the repairs, I must sell the one I'm currently in. Only then can I get the repairs done to me, also! I'll go away and mutter in my corner, mumble, grumble, grunt! (Young people today, rotten weather, bloody banks, lousy politicians, etc., ad nauseum) Cheers, Midori And why not eh - and with good reason
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Post by redraven on Mar 7, 2009 17:17:35 GMT -1
For what its worth, I have no problem with philosophy starting with science... QM raises some very interesting philosphical issues regarding identity for example. But I do think it important to differentiate science, metaphysics and philosophy. IMO, what you are raisng are philosophical questions related to metaphysics. Just because you can reference the thinking with lay interpretations of quantum mechanics doesn't make them science. They are still philosophical questions related to metaphysics. And that's fine. But not science ;D Sorry Adam, this one slipped under the radar, must have been distracted (unusual eh? : Yes, the reason I did these posts here instead of elsewhere, was that they do relate to philosophy as these theories start to cross the boundary between science and religion by creating some,as yet, unproved theories that may have some relation to the spiritual aspect people may experience. I am aware that my interpretation may be a layman's viewpoint, but I am encouraged that at least I am able to grasp the concepts being developed and think I am lucky to be around at this time, as before now, most people's spiritual experiences were purely subjective through personal interpretation, something I feel, speaking personally, that can relegate the experience into self doubt. Of course, as with most things, the difficult part is to try to keep within the defined parameters without going off entirely into delusional fantasy. RR
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