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Post by dyvrig on Nov 28, 2016 22:23:22 GMT -1
I came across a link between the words Chwedl( Welsh) and Scéal (Irish) going back to Primitive Irish (and ultimately Proto-Celtic). However it suggests that the word could have appeared in Welsh as *yspedl if derived directly - Just made me wonder if the English word "Spell" as in incantation/tale etc might have similar origins from earlier Indo-European. Perhaps another member might be able to shed more light on this. The Wiki article that prompted the question is here: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chwedl#Welsh |
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Post by Heron on Nov 29, 2016 19:55:10 GMT -1
I came across a link between the words Chwedl( Welsh) and Scéal (Irish) going back to Primitive Irish (and ultimately Proto-Celtic). However it suggests that the word could have appeared in Welsh as *yspedl if derived directly - Just made me wonder if the English word "Spell" as in incantation/tale etc might have similar origins from earlier Indo-European. Perhaps another member might be able to shed more light on this. The Wiki article that prompted the question is here: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chwedl#WelshInteresting speculation. I think it's important to note the words " .. if it had descended directly into Welsh ..." The fact that it didn't, but came via Irish, means that we don't have a trail to follow. Certainly 'spell', which as you note can also mean 'tale, legend' in some earlier uses, can be taken back to I.E. 'spel' ('tell'), so the words are tantalisingly close in what they signify. My knowledge of Irish is not up to identifying whether or not 'scéal ' can be taken back to that root. There have been people on here with such knowledge but they are not currently active.... |
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Post by megli on Dec 14, 2016 22:09:07 GMT -1
A quick glance through the literature suggests there isn't a connection between the Celtic words and the Germanic ones: they come from different roots entirely, it seems.
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Post by Lee on Dec 15, 2016 5:09:48 GMT -1
A quick glance through the literature suggests there isn't a connection between the Celtic words and the Germanic ones: they come from different roots entirely, it seems. Yay! He's back! |
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Post by megli on Dec 15, 2016 9:15:59 GMT -1
Hello!  it's nice to be back! |
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Post by Heron on Dec 15, 2016 21:08:28 GMT -1
Hello! it's nice to be back! Good to have one of 'Caerfeddwyd's Immortals' amongst us again! |
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Post by megli on Dec 15, 2016 22:09:52 GMT -1
*faints*!
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Post by darren on Feb 24, 2017 8:30:04 GMT -1
This is an interesting interlink between different linguistic elements, even though it doesn't appear to come to anything. I'm getting this as part of what you are about?
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