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Post by littleraven on Jul 20, 2007 8:23:11 GMT -1
Robin: Holy Dominatrix Batman! Batman: Yes Boy Wonder, it's as we suspected. Robin: But what about the flagellation Batman? Batman: Not while we're working, Robin.
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Post by ceinach on Jul 20, 2007 16:15:18 GMT -1
Ceinach was a name that came to me in meditation on the night of my Ovate Initiation on the edge of a woodland some six years ago. My understanding is that it is old welsh for Hare - Megli or any of you wonderful welsh speakers out there may be able to tell me more, and if you can great because I have seen it quoted as meaning "Kitchen" in some places but I tend to keep that quiet....
I have a deep connection with Hare, her being my alter-ego when journeying. Arth will tell you our house is full of images of them - I even have one tatood on my foot now...
My "real" name is Siobhan Olivia Morgan (now Thomas as I am married). Siobhan was chosen for me because it was a pretty name and I have no idea of it's origins or original meaning as it has been Christianised over the years to mean Joan (loving that NOT) Olivia is after my uncle Oliver (RIP) and Morgan is my maiden name and now my daughter's middle name and the name of the woods in honour of my ancestors......
I went through a phase of Sionnach because I have a guide who is a fox but soon realised that it is their name and not mine!
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Post by Craig on Jul 21, 2007 6:35:17 GMT -1
Thanks for that Ceinach, you've actually tempted me to talk on this subject.
I have never understood 'craft names'. When I stand before my gods and my ancestors I am who I am. I don't need a mask...
I did use a handle for a while when on sites where I didn't necessarily trust everyone. My wise wife though pointed out that maybe I shouldn't waste my time on places where I didn't trust people, and she was right (as always).
So with me you only get my real name, the one my parents blessed me with.
I do wonder if a craft name is one of those tools that some people feel they need to get 'into the mood' - like robes, staves, knives, chalices, crystals and all that gubbins. Please correct me if I am talking tosh here. ;D
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Post by suelittleowl on Jul 21, 2007 10:05:35 GMT -1
Craig, you are truly blessed that you can stand as such an integrated soul. I have never understood 'craft names'. When I stand before my gods and my ancestors I am who I am. I don't need a mask... This may be the case for some people but for others is is more that their chosen name or given name (as opposed to their birth or baptismal name) is their 'real' name and by adopting this name in certain circles they are being their true selves and by using it in our community they are revealing either part or all of their true selves. A name is also a way integrating aspects of themselves - the dichotomy of my day to day self and my 'true' self is something I have struggled with for years, it is only now that I feel more able to merge them, the Little Owl appears at work to great effect from time to time! I do wonder if a craft name is one of those tools that some people feel they need to get 'into the mood' - like robes, staves, knives, chalices, crystals and all that gubbins. Please correct me if I am talking tosh here. ;D Definitely in some cases - they can also be used by misguided souls and idiots seeking aggrandisement (these get clouted down nicely on this site I am pleased to say). I particularly like the names that evolve over time, each time adding or modifying a part as the mood takes them so that you get a wonderful Vixenmaid Brighdottir Thunderthighs type effect (some of you know of whom I speak!). Names can also be used to conceal the trickster and for those working in the dark. Some have names they don't reveal. I feel that the people that I call my friends in this community use their names to present an honest face, an aspect of their true selves and what they present to their Gods.
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Post by megli on Jul 21, 2007 11:01:06 GMT -1
'My understanding is that it is old welsh for Hare - Megli or any of you wonderful welsh speakers out there may be able to tell me more, and if you can great because I have seen it quoted as meaning "Kitchen" in some places but I tend to keep that quiet....'
It is indeed 'hare'. One ceinach, lots of ceinachod. You can say 'KAYnakh' or 'KYEnakh' depending on dialect, though KAYnakh is prob. more standard.
It wouldn't have looked or sounded any different in Medieval Welsh btw.
Kitchen is 'cegin', which looks a bit similar!
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Post by littleraven on Jul 21, 2007 11:33:12 GMT -1
'Little' Raven' is a very specific version of a my 'real' name. I don't mean real as in the one on my birth certificate as that honestly means nothing to me, but real as in the one which came to me under a very specific set of circumstances.
'Little Raven' is specific, it describes me very much in that there are aspects of the personality of the Raven that are also in me and how I act in this context. I don't have a Raven 'power animal' or guide or anything like that, it's more 'totemic', like a clan name, an identifier of kin. BTW, two people in the past have guessed my 'real' name. Both of whom who passed over within the turning of the year. So please don't ask me. Seriously.
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 21, 2007 12:44:54 GMT -1
'Little' Raven' is a very specific version of a my 'real' name. I don't mean real as in the one on my birth certificate as that honestly means nothing to me, but real as in the one which came to me under a very specific set of circumstances. 'Little Raven' is specific, it describes me very much in that there are aspects of the personality of the Raven that are also in me and how I act in this context. I don't have a Raven 'power animal' or guide or anything like that, it's more 'totemic', like a clan name, an identifier of kin. BTW, two people in the past have guessed my 'real' name. Both of whom who passed over within the turning of the year. So please don't ask me. Seriously. Phew! I'm glad I already know<checks over head for circling ravens>. Didn't Woodsmoke ask you your real name at camp?<gulp>
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 21, 2007 12:52:32 GMT -1
A chosen name can reveal a lot about the person, someone with the name silver unicorn as you can guess, reveals what type of person they are.
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Post by Tegernacus on Jul 21, 2007 13:02:32 GMT -1
I'm not a big fan of chosen names. OK, "handles" on forums like this is one thing. But names have always been given or earned. They are a gift. A privilage. If you receive a name from some kind of ritual, meditation etc thats one thing. But I don't think names should be chosen because they are mystical or cool, as if often the case with craft-names. I agree with Craig, its like a mask, or play-acting character role you step into and then step out of when you're finished playing. I'd rather be called "he-who's-kitchen-stinks-of-boiled-woad" than "Starshine Excalibur-wielder"
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Post by littleraven on Jul 21, 2007 13:06:52 GMT -1
'Little' Raven' is a very specific version of a my 'real' name. I don't mean real as in the one on my birth certificate as that honestly means nothing to me, but real as in the one which came to me under a very specific set of circumstances. 'Little Raven' is specific, it describes me very much in that there are aspects of the personality of the Raven that are also in me and how I act in this context. I don't have a Raven 'power animal' or guide or anything like that, it's more 'totemic', like a clan name, an identifier of kin. BTW, two people in the past have guessed my 'real' name. Both of whom who passed over within the turning of the year. So please don't ask me. Seriously. Phew! I'm glad I already know<checks over head for circling ravens>. Didn't Woodsmoke ask you your real name at camp?<gulp> If she asked me the 'real' name as what's on my birth certificate, that's not the one I consider my real name. Thats merely the one on my birth certificate. My real name is something else.
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 21, 2007 13:11:10 GMT -1
Hi LR
I'm not sure what Woodsmoke exactly asked you, it's all a bit of a mead fueled haze now. ;D
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Post by littleraven on Jul 21, 2007 13:34:20 GMT -1
Hi LR I'm not sure what Woodsmoke exactly asked you, it's all a bit of a mead fueled haze now. ;D If she'd asked my *real* name, I would have excused her rudeness and declined to answer
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Post by ceinach on Jul 21, 2007 15:10:30 GMT -1
It is indeed 'hare'. One ceinach, lots of ceinachod. You can say 'KAYnakh' or 'KYEnakh' depending on dialect, though KAYnakh is prob. more standard. PHEW!! I always say it Kyenakh as that's how it was given to me. I have a cousin called Fiachna (sp?) which apparently is translated as Little Raven in Gaelic as that side of my family have ravens on the family crest (all sounds very grand but they are from the bog)... Ceinach isn't a name I would have chosen for myself, I probably would have gone with something Irish or not bothered as I actually like the name Siobhan (just wish I knew the story behind the name). So, interesting that a welsh name was given to me even though I am not a welsh speaker... One of my guides also has a welsh name which really messes with my brain because I had to keep asking him what it was The first time I ever saw a hare, she sat about five foot away from me on a welsh mountain and I was so surprised by the sheer size of her, they are wonderful creatures.. (wales again what's that all about)
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Post by megli on Jul 21, 2007 16:06:54 GMT -1
Hmmm....very intriguing! I suspect siobhan is just a Gaelicised version of Joanne, Joan etc (cf. welsh siwan). si - is normally used for j- (so sean = john). A yellowhammer is called 'siobhainin bui' [/shuworneen bwee/ or /shuvorneen bwee/] in Irish, 'little yellow Joanie'!
I tried 'Robin' for a while but my husband laughed so much i gave up.
PS Fiach is indeed raven. There's several 'raven' names - Fiachra is another one.
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Post by Midori on Jul 21, 2007 16:47:04 GMT -1
Here goes,
My real name is Jill, I chose Midori as a tribute to a Japanese friend from years ago, and found out later that it is also the name of a melon-flavoured Liqueur. (go figure!)
On other Druidic Forums I use the name I was given by two Druids who started me on my healing journey after I was widowed. it is also my bardic name, Ayana Owl.
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Post by woodsmoke on Jul 21, 2007 20:53:12 GMT -1
*sweeps away the mead haze* As I recall, out of intense nosiness on my part, I asked what LR's name was - meaning his birth name, not his *real* one. I may be curious, but I do not have a death wish.
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Post by woodsmoke on Jul 21, 2007 20:54:16 GMT -1
Ceinach, I will be calling you my 'little yellow Joanie' from now on you realise!! ;D
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 23, 2007 10:35:29 GMT -1
Ceinach, I will be calling you my 'little yellow Joanie' from now on you realise!! ;D That makes her sound sweet and nice obviously one for trades descriptions.
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 23, 2007 10:36:55 GMT -1
*sweeps away the mead haze* As I recall, out of intense nosiness on my part, I asked what LR's name was - meaning his birth name, not his *real* one. I may be curious, but I do not have a death wish. Phew! I wouldn't want to lose a friend.
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