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Sept 21, 2009 21:29:18 GMT -1
Post by megli on Sept 21, 2009 21:29:18 GMT -1
Ouch!! Spot on, I'd say, Francis. cytuno'n llwyr.
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Sept 22, 2009 17:36:35 GMT -1
Post by clare on Sept 22, 2009 17:36:35 GMT -1
Francis, I find nothing to disagree with. And I'm reminded that this forum is open to the world.
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Sept 22, 2009 19:33:13 GMT -1
Post by littleraven on Sept 22, 2009 19:33:13 GMT -1
Francis, I find nothing to disagree with. And I'm reminded that this forum is open to the world. It's open to people who have registered and been confirmed, and subsequently contribute.
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Sept 22, 2009 20:01:03 GMT -1
Post by Lee on Sept 22, 2009 20:01:03 GMT -1
francis, the 'hunt magic' you describe works perfectly within the maxim of 'as above, so below' (or in this case: 'as within, so without'). the hunter effects as sacrifice within himself which is effected upon the wider landscape.
i cant wait for our winter meet up. wont be missing this one for the world.
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Sept 22, 2009 20:14:02 GMT -1
Post by Heron on Sept 22, 2009 20:14:02 GMT -1
[.....] Hunt magic is to my mind a possibility. And I believe a case can be made for other similar forms of magic. I feel bitterly disappointed that I’ve only managed to describe the above so poorly, and in such bizarre over-nested parenthesis! Anyway my point (I do actually have a point!!) is that from the more intimate, hands-on relationship with the Spirits of Place that our more ‘primitive’ human ancestors once had came the concept of magic. As we grew away from that intimacy with the natural world we kept the idea of magic – the concept is part of our culture- almost every human culture. But here’s the thing - nowadays much of what many would hope it could be used to manifest, it just plain can’t. No mechanism exists - no relationship exists - that could bring about much of the fantasy people of an industrial, urban society hope for. As we grow away from nature the possibility to involve magic in our day-to-day lives recedes. We’re left with a cultural echo or memory of a useful power in our lives, and we misunderstand and misplace the possibilities of that power onto things that just aren’t feasible. Debbie of Plymouth probably can’t take part in a magical dialogue and exchange with the city of Plymouth to find her a partner. (For a brief time I once almost thought you could make a similar argument – but the Spirit of Place of a town is qualitatively different – though not without certain possibilities or potentials to power.) I think your analysis here is pretty perceptive and outlines an area of experience difficult to express remarkably well. Spirits of Place have always impinged on my awareness, although perhaps less so since I began to theorize them, though even since then sometimes I am surprised. What do I mean by this? It's a fair question and one that can never be satisfactorily answered to anyone who doesn't share similar experiences. And in the end the theory goes nowhere. Although it is primarily places like woodlands or mountain streams that speak to me in this way, I have, when I lived in them and knew them well, been moved not, I admit, by whole towns, but by particular places in them: a shady corner of a square, a narrow street whose history seems all about you when you walk down it; is this about deity or about historical presence? I don't know, but certainly the magic is there playing its tune sometimes down your spine or in the weakness of your knees so you never forget it and certainly never doubt it.
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Sept 23, 2009 8:45:31 GMT -1
Post by megli on Sept 23, 2009 8:45:31 GMT -1
I agree completely.
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