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Post by redraven on Jul 9, 2011 5:53:54 GMT -1
Been considering Lugus myself and the UPG I've been getting is tied up with industry, specifically industrious effort, which would relate a little better to the 21st century.
RR
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Post by potia on Jul 9, 2011 19:33:43 GMT -1
Been considering Lugus myself and the UPG I've been getting is tied up with industry, specifically industrious effort, which would relate a little better to the 21st century. RR Which would seem to tie in with both practical skills and communications around trade.
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Post by Francis on Jul 9, 2011 20:34:53 GMT -1
How much of your livestocks winter intake are you hoping to facilitate through this experiment ideally? Your posts suggest that you may well be using this method long term and I understand your objectives through your posting, but have you noticed any different dynamic between arable and pastorial productions where you live? RR Hi RR. Sorry for not replying sooner, we're making hay/silage at the moment and I'm a bit wacked! I keep getting to the computer and meaning to reply but I know I wouldn't make much sense. As it happens I'm going to put off any real reply for a few days as I just want to get into a hot bath! But just very quickly I'd say on this point; but have you noticed any different dynamic between arable and pastorial productions where you live? The first thing that strikes me (and please remember I have very little experience of relating to /working in an arable scenario/landscape) is that the 'way in' with arable is perhaps superficially easier. I suspect this is because in a pastoral situation there is more distraction in terms of the behaviour/spirit of individual animals - that can lead your focus away from the deeper core of the pastoral human/land relationship, or covenant. Also I wonder if you might have slightly mis-read my post? Or perhaps more likely my cumbersome attempts to write what I mean have failed again!
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Post by redraven on Jul 10, 2011 18:37:38 GMT -1
Hi RR. Sorry for not replying sooner, we're making hay/silage at the moment and I'm a bit wacked! I keep getting to the computer and meaning to reply but I know I wouldn't make much sense. As it happens I'm going to put off any real reply for a few days as I just want to get into a hot bath! No problem, thanks for the heads up. But just very quickly I'd say on this point; but have you noticed any different dynamic between arable and pastorial productions where you live? The first thing that strikes me (and please remember I have very little experience of relating to /working in an arable scenario/landscape) is that the 'way in' with arable is perhaps superficially easier. I suspect this is because in a pastoral situation there is more distraction in terms of the behaviour/spirit of individual animals - that can lead your focus away from the deeper core of the pastoral human/land relationship, or covenant. Also I wonder if you may have slightly mis-read my post? Or perhaps more likely my cumbersome attempts to write what I mean have failed again! Wouldn't be the first time I've misread something ;D, I'm sure we'll sort things out as this thread develops. Pastorial working suggests to me, a more "passive" role (I know, before you point out the background working done to enable a pastoral relationship is more than just allowing "nature to run things" ). Arable is more immediately obvious as a measure of human interactions because of the "artificial" appearance after first working, thus allowing this "easier" way in. I'll leave this for you to reply more fully when you time is more your own. Mods: it may be a good idea to split this thread as this posting may move the subject matter far away from the OP which is specific to Lugus unless people are happy for it to move this way. RR
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Post by Lee on Jul 10, 2011 20:16:22 GMT -1
I reckon it's ok for now. we shall see how it develops and i can split if needed. it is all related to the harvest mind you - albeit in a sense of what comes prior to it.
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Post by Lee on Jul 31, 2011 22:46:11 GMT -1
Well, today is the 1st. whilst we may have differing practices over the coming weeks, we will be sharing the triple toast in the evening;
To Lugus To the tribe to the gods of the tribe and the spirits of the season
Personally i will be doing something next weekend once the last of my allotment harvest is in (the onion glut) and i have more tangible results from my wild fruit scavenging.
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Post by nellie on Aug 1, 2011 5:07:34 GMT -1
I did my main personal observances yesterday (while babysitters were available!!) but I'll be doing something else today with the children and joining in with the triple toast this evening.
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Post by Blackbird on Aug 3, 2011 12:25:44 GMT -1
Although I don't like the pan-Celtic approach, the Irish stuff might be useful to look at. Lughnasadh was a pre-harvest festival - basically a big knees-up with horse racing, games etc. when farmers would hire labourers for the coming work. That's not the same as the act of harvesting, so I too reckon that the harvest theme might be a bit of a red herring.
According to the Irish stories, the Lughnasadh games were instituted by Lugh himself in honour of his foster-mother Tailtiu who died clearing land for cultivation. It may be that the games themselves, involving as they do a multitude of skills, are the important bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 17:04:44 GMT -1
Well, today is the 1st. whilst we may have differing practices over the coming weeks, we will be sharing the triple toast in the evening; To Lugus To the tribe to the gods of the tribe and the spirits of the season Personally i will be doing something next weekend once the last of my allotment harvest is in (the onion glut) and i have more tangible results from my wild fruit scavenging. Thanks for posting this. I couldn't find the triple toast on the Brython site so came to CF and there it was. I think I've got to know Lugus and more specifically Lugh a bit more from reading and thinking about him but even so my observances on the 1st were rather shambolic - got overtired, the weather wasn't that good and then I was unsettled by finding a dead magpie underneath the branches set aside for the bonfire... which didn't happen. I did pick some lovely flowers for the house shrine which blazed orange and red and pink and at 8.30 (I wasn't sure if there was a particular time) I made the triple toast - which felt good. Thanks to all you folk at CF for company on the journey
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Post by potia on Aug 4, 2011 16:27:34 GMT -1
hi folks,
I've been away for a few days in Notts and now back in Glasgow. RR and I raised the triple toast on the evening of the 1st together. During the day we had visited Arbour Low together among other places and I saw my first well dressings - the craftsmanship involved is amazing to look at! Lugus was very much in our minds during the day but we didn't really do anything else specific in the way of celebrating the day.
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Post by dumnorix on Aug 8, 2011 11:32:26 GMT -1
I was waiting for the fifteenth for my *uelis Lugous... the Coligny calendar's festival which corresponds to Lughnasadh is nine days after the start of AEdrinios, and the months begin with the first quarter according to Pliny. As for the harvest, I always thought it was Lugh's mother Tailtiu who was the more important figure for agriculture. The time of year is just misleading, maybe. Traditionally the harvest festival was held at the Harvest Moon, which is a bit of a way on from Lughnasadh... Also, I'm inclined to identify Lugus with Maponos... I posted some of my thoughts here, page 2. Just another suggestion to help complicate matters.
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