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Post by Blackbird on Apr 7, 2008 8:53:43 GMT -1
This new forum section is for threads specific to Brython. Questions on the project are welcome and we will also be posting progress reports
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Post by alfvin on Oct 6, 2008 15:14:12 GMT -1
This probably sounds really stupid. Ok, more than probably then. Does Brython refer to Britain and therefore Wales, rather than Ireland? Or does Brython encompass more than Wales? Alfvin
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Post by potia on Oct 6, 2008 16:23:15 GMT -1
If I'm wrong the others will correct me but my understanding is that Brython applies to the lands of mainland Britian and includes England, Scotland and Wales. My understanding of the developing Brythonic Tradition is that it is focussed on the gods and pre-roman religions of mainland Britian but that other times and influences in the mainland are also important. Again the others will correct me if I've got it wrong
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Post by Craig on Oct 6, 2008 18:06:52 GMT -1
Not a bad definition Potia, thanks for helping Alfvin here.
Alf, at least two of the founders have experiences of more than just the pre-Roman gods of Britain. We are concerned that all the non-monotheist layers of native British spirituality are not ignored.
Jez is a member of Brython's council because we need her 'heathen' wisdom as well as being a friend. You may already have noticed that members of the northern traditions are welcome here.
Ireland is not excluded, but our primary focus is on the mainland of Britain. The Irish are already well-served in the research department.
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Post by jez on Oct 6, 2008 18:29:59 GMT -1
I'm on a council?? -- No-one told me that!! -- Oh, the power -- Jez - adding megalomania to her CV
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Post by alfvin on Oct 6, 2008 19:19:22 GMT -1
I'd like to thank all of you for your patience and for taking the time to explain really basic things to me. This board is so refreshing after being on heathen boards. The people are much more friendly.
Jez, I went I've been on that heathen board Asatru Lore but I don't think I'll stay there too long. I can't believe how ignorant of their own religion many of them are. They even deride people who take up the runes, reconing that they are just an alphabet. I doubt I'll last a week. I'm going to stay with these nice Celtic people. Even the one with the Daffy Duck avatar. Great. Alfvin
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Post by Tegernacus on Oct 6, 2008 19:50:13 GMT -1
...c....c....ce...c...celtic???!! lol
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Post by Craig on Oct 7, 2008 6:14:06 GMT -1
Daffy Duck is dead Alfvin - he was just a troll in a duck suit I'm afraid... I'd be careful waving that 'celtic' word around if I were you. There's people here who hang academics who say 'celt'
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Post by alfvin on Oct 7, 2008 6:26:53 GMT -1
RIP Daffy Duck What is wrong with the "C" word? I thought druidry was a Celtic thing and the gods were Celtic gods? Is it that you prefer the term Brythons or Britons? Alfvin
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Post by Craig on Oct 7, 2008 6:45:45 GMT -1
Oh well, you asked for it... 'Celt' and 'Celtic' were terms coined by an 18th century Philologist [word-freak] to describe a family of northern European languages. He got the word from ther Greek 'Keltoi'. This was then abused mightily by 19th century British Imperialists who wanted to show that us northern Europeans had just as glorious a heritage as those 'bloody wops' in the Romance Countries of the Mediterranean. It was also supported by the Celtic Revival in Ireland and Wales in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. For over a century there was a wholesale cobbling together of various archeological and classical sources to support the idea of a pan-European Celtic 'nation', made up of civilised indo-europeans. This included the idea that those beastly neolithic Britains were overcome by the civilised Celts. More recent research is challenging the eminent domain of the Pan-Celtic Empire in British History. Although there were European influxes into Britain, especially in the immediate pre-Roman period, it now seems most likely that the Brythons were more thanc apable of creating the advanced society and social structures the Romans found when they arrived. One must remember that the British were the only people to decisively defeat the great Julius Caesar. It seems likely now that 'Druidry' came from Britain and went out into the near continent, not the reverse as many scholars still cling to. So generally on CF we hold the terms 'Brython' and 'Brythonic' to be more accurate than 'Celt' or 'Celtic'. As with all things though we are open to challenge...
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Post by jez on Oct 7, 2008 6:55:33 GMT -1
Asatru Lore?
That's not the same group. I've never even heard of it.
ukheathenry is run by Dr Jenny Blain, respected heathen author and seidr worker.
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Jez
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Post by Adam on Oct 7, 2008 7:35:32 GMT -1
It seems likely now that 'Druidry' came from Britain and went out into the near continent, not the reverse as many scholars still cling to. Do you have reference for that?... I know that JC referred to Britain as being where people went to as a centre of Druid study (actually, I say that, was it JC?... ah yes it was, and he goes further "It is believed that their rule of life was discovered in Britain and transferred hence to Gaul; and to-day those who would study the subject more accurately journey, as a rule, to Britain to learn it."), but even Anne Ross (in admittedly the latest book I have 1999) seems to discuss possible theories of dispersal through Europe and 'to' Britain. And does coming from Britain include originating with the Brythonic peoples and spread to Ireland?
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Post by Midori on Oct 7, 2008 9:04:28 GMT -1
can I just enter a plea for my ancestral land of Brittany to be included under the Brythonic umbrella?
Cheers, Midori
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Post by alfvin on Oct 7, 2008 10:53:19 GMT -1
Hi Craig, Ok Brython it is then. I'll stick around with you nice Brythons and not nice Celts. ;D. So I'm Ynglish with some Brythonic blood probably thrown in somewhere. . Jez, I'm sure I got Asatru Lore from you. Maybe a link from your site? It's not worth the hassle though and there is an Odinic Rite presence which is undesirable. I'll have a look at UK Heathenry though. Alfvin
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Post by jez on Oct 7, 2008 11:15:40 GMT -1
Hi Craig, Ok Brython it is then. I'll stick around with you nice Brythons and not nice Celts. ;D. So I'm Ynglish with some Brythonic blood probably thrown in somewhere. . Jez, I'm sure I got Asatru Lore from you. Maybe a link from your site? It's not worth the hassle though and there is an Odinic Rite presence which is undesirable. I'll have a look at UK Heathenry though. Alfvin I don't have a site At least, not a public one. A couple of private Yahoo groups is all, one on poetry, one on runelore. If there is a link on the APT site, I have never followed it. I'd like to know where you got it, if it is there, though - for interest sake. Anything with 'asatrú' in the title I normally steer well clear of. -- Jez
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Post by Blackbird on Oct 7, 2008 13:23:15 GMT -1
Yes, Brittany counts too Anne Ross isn't a great source. She's fixated on the idea of a pan-Celtic society, which is now an outdated mode of thought. Some of her books are still quite useful, especially Pagan Celtic Britain - but it's best used for the sources rather than for her dodgy conclusions.
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Post by Blackbird on Oct 7, 2008 13:24:25 GMT -1
BTW - we don't have anything against the Gaelic trads, it's just that there are an abundance of places dealing with those already, whereas this is about the only Brythonic focussed site
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Post by Adam on Oct 7, 2008 13:29:58 GMT -1
Yes, Brittany counts too Anne Ross isn't a great source. She's fixated on the idea of a pan-Celtic society, which is now an outdated mode of thought. Some of her books are still quite useful, especially Pagan Celtic Britain - but it's best used for the sources rather than for her dodgy conclusions. Any recommendations for some more up to date thinking?
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Post by megli on Oct 7, 2008 14:13:55 GMT -1
Barry Cunliffe's little book is rrrubbish.
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