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Post by Francis on Oct 13, 2008 13:26:14 GMT -1
Hi Craig
Connor must be a tough one if it's his cruciate ligaments. A friend of mine tore his in a match once - I'd played with him before when he'd had a few grim injuries in the past, but I'd never heard 6 ' 3" of second row make as much noise as when he did his cruciates. He didn't play again untill the following season. So I guess I'm hoping you hear it's something else...
Anyway best wishes to him. Who knows we may well still meet properly one day!
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Post by stefan on Oct 14, 2008 13:52:36 GMT -1
Hi all,
It would seem the conclusion of the Flag Fen Council turned out to be as radical as its inception. Which was, wait for it, 'There are no Druids!' The name has been so profaned it is no longer usable. The Albion Conclave will soon give an official statement that it does not recognize anyone within the modern Druid movement as a Druid. Pagan priests yes, Druid priests? Highly debatable. Teachers of Druidry, yes, Bards, yes. But Druids, no. It is a romantic fiction to think otherwise. This realization also adds a little weight to ancestor worship. At least our Iron Age ancestors were Druids, we are not and never can be. For me finally being able to accept this has been very liberating. As the Head of a Druid organization for many years, I feel I can now do it with a deeper level of honesty and integrity. I guess certain others will feel outraged. But in one single statement it removes all their power completely, which many have abused for far too long.
In Truth Stefan Seniuk Servant of the Sun (my new none Druid title)
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Post by arth_frown on Oct 14, 2008 14:08:47 GMT -1
Hello Stefan and welcome to Caer Feddwyd. It will be interesting to see the reaction to your new statement.
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Post by stefan on Oct 14, 2008 14:37:30 GMT -1
Hi Draig, of course I can only speak for myself and it shook me to the very core to come to terms with it, but when I eventually did, it seemed to create a bright new future on the horizon. However I think nearly everyone voiced the same opinion at some point during the night and what a fantastic night it was, in a quite remarkable location. That round house and the people in it felt very, very real. No ego, no charisma driven desire to hold court. Just truth and honesty, which I guess brought things to their only logical conclusion. We are the followers of the native traditions of Britain. I guess I'm more of a Hypoborean than anything else. The term Druid belongs to our ancestors. For me the focus now is getting back to basics that are acheiveable, rather than dreaming of a fantasy.
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Post by Francis on Oct 14, 2008 14:50:23 GMT -1
Hi Stefan
It's good to greet you within Caer Feddwyd.
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Post by potia on Oct 14, 2008 15:05:30 GMT -1
Hi Stefan,
Good to see you here. I have to admit that coming to terms with this is going to take me a while. For just over 10 years I have described myself as a druid, on a druid path or walking in the forest of druidry. To hear that for many who I hold in deep respect the term druid is one that belongs firmly to the past is while not a total surprise still a blow. It leaves me wondering how I will describe my path to others.
I have not changed, my perception of myself is changing. That maybe a good thing, it probably is but right now I don't know.
Blessings Potia.
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Post by littleraven on Oct 14, 2008 15:06:43 GMT -1
The term Druid belongs to our ancestors. Yes. We may sing of our ancestors, but the songs are ours.
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Post by jez on Oct 14, 2008 15:16:00 GMT -1
As someone who never was a druid, I have to say I thought you were all very brave to throw out the bathwater.
And the baby seems to be quite happy and growing fast.
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Jez
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Post by jez on Oct 14, 2008 15:17:03 GMT -1
Or is it a foal?
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Jez
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Post by arth_frown on Oct 14, 2008 15:28:44 GMT -1
We may sing of our ancestors, but the songs are ours. I like that! can I borrow it as a signature?
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Post by littleraven on Oct 14, 2008 15:45:37 GMT -1
We may sing of our ancestors, but the songs are ours. I like that! can I borrow it as a signature? Sure ;D
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Post by Craig on Oct 14, 2008 15:57:38 GMT -1
It would seem the conclusion of the Flag Fen Council turned out to be as radical as its inception. Which was, wait for it, 'There are no Druids!' In Truth Stefan Seniuk Servant of the Sun (my new none Druid title) It is brilliant to welcome you into CF and Brython my friend. You can see my 'modern' descriptor below. I like Tree Whisperer especially, but 'Feral Brython' is more accurate
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Post by Blackbird on Oct 14, 2008 16:07:25 GMT -1
Great to have you here, Stefan I really feel that we're on the first steps of something truly exciting here
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Post by arth_frown on Oct 14, 2008 16:15:33 GMT -1
I like that! can I borrow it as a signature? Sure ;D Thanks, done
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Post by redraven on Oct 14, 2008 19:25:16 GMT -1
Good to see you here Stefan, hope to read some more of your thoughts now you have found us!
RR
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Post by Heron on Oct 14, 2008 19:40:54 GMT -1
The term Druid belongs to our ancestors. For me the focus now is getting back to basics that are acheiveable, rather than dreaming of a fantasy. As someone who decided that 25 years ago - but has since drifted back to see what is going on - I'm intrigued as to how this will develop. Do you see it as a personal revelation and a quest for a new path, or something more ground-breaking for neo-druidry in general? I suppose I should have come to Flag Fen to find that out, but unfortunately couldn't make it. It would be nice if you could share your vision here anyway.
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Post by Lee on Oct 14, 2008 19:44:47 GMT -1
HI heron, what has been going on here on various threads pretty much covers what happened at FF, also further discussions on the brython section are where we are taking it forward
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Post by Craig on Oct 15, 2008 6:04:41 GMT -1
Stefan has just published a major statement on the Albion Conclave course group that there are no druids in modern paganism. I personally applaud him for this difficult decision and the courage to voice it.
Perhaps Stefan will copy it here...?
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Post by Tegernacus on Oct 15, 2008 7:21:01 GMT -1
yes please. If not, then we should make public statement. Personally I'm not really worried about making enemies in the druid-circles, I'm not close to anyone in it.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
That being said, I've nothing against people who still wish to be a "druid". But like Hutton did in his Moon book, we should tell it straight, publish and be damned.
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