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Post by arth_frown on Jan 11, 2009 16:41:01 GMT -1
Paganism in general seems to be a magnate for ego's. Maybe they think they can get away with it.
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Post by dreamguardian on Jan 11, 2009 16:57:38 GMT -1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 9:39:34 GMT -1
Interesting stuff, and I have to say this is close to my own interpretation and experience of the Faerie. I see the Gods and Spirits of this land as the Faerie themselves - as he says, everything from the tree spirit, to the Gods of our old myths. The realm of Annwn is theirs. A place I've only ever truly glimpsed on rare moments of clarity, but one I feel is as real as the bark of the tree I touch.
Regarding the eating of their food - I'm with Fiona Davidson on this one when she says that, the only reason we are told not to eat it, is that if we do, we are changed, completely, forever. Once we have tasted of the fruit of the Faerie we can never return to how things were. Something to seriously contemplate before taking a bite.
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Post by stefan on Jan 27, 2009 12:07:54 GMT -1
I think being critical is valid so long as its not just a moronic rant to off load personal angst. I've just made a critical comment re modern Druid organizations on another thread. Its important that we are not afraid to voice our opinions. Times are a changing and no one is above criticism. If we are intelligent we can rise above the emotion of anger and reply with a counter opinion/viewpoint.
Re the fairy folk, if memory serves me right, in Ireland the Tuatha De Danaan were banished beneath the hollow hills to become the sidhe. What I find interesting is that the Iron Age Celts seem to have venerated a Neolithic people? The Dagda becomes the builder of New Grange. An interesting point is that if the people who lived at the same time as the Druids had no religious connection to the megaliths, why give a damn about one of their gods association to a Neolithic burial mound? Any idea's?
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Post by Tegernacus on Jan 27, 2009 12:08:56 GMT -1
because they understood that it was honouring the ancestors? You can honour the ancestors without necessarily following (or even knowing) their religion.
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Post by clare on Jan 27, 2009 13:38:10 GMT -1
My understanding of the Fairy world is that it is another country, much as Japan is, with its own culture and relationship with our culture. I don't have a map per se but wonder if there are a number of Otherworlds - of Shinto shamans and Siberian shamans and the OBOD/ OGD/ etc otherworld and so on? If the existence of otherworldly realms has some relationship to our own belief in them and therefore what we believe goes on there has some bearing on what goes on there, then we're into some confusing philosophical places! My own understanding is this: that every culture has their own equivalent. That over a period of time our Ancestors became better known as the Fairy. Hollow hills and all that. That the Victorians have a lot to answer for in the way we deal with the twinkly little darlings. That they can be huge and weird as well as small, human shaped and everything in between. That they like magic and they like being talked about and are attracted to it. That when they're in my space they abide by my rules and vice versa, much as you would with other people. I abide by the rules of not eating and drinking there because those are the rules that most people understand and which therefore exist. Unlike RJS, whose had a great deal more experience than I, but when it comes to something as fundamental as going bonkers I prefer to live in the apparent world on my own terms. Also, take a look at this: www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/ufofairies.htm
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Post by stefan on Jan 28, 2009 17:29:10 GMT -1
Yes I fully understand the ancestor connection. But just how connected is it? Is it a natural evolution that is unbroken, or is one completely separate from the other? Did they out grow the former and move on. If so, then they remain connected by association. If not, then Iron Age religion stands alone from its past. Yet the Neolithic people appear to become Iron Age gods in Ireland?
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Post by maglowyllt on Jan 29, 2009 8:12:54 GMT -1
Perhaps it's impossible for us to really understand such a connection in this world?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 15:32:53 GMT -1
Just read an interesting book about stories, croyances (again, is that a word?) andcustoms from the Carnac region, in Southern Brittany. There is a large part about the 'korriganed' (Breton Fairies) and in Carnac they were also related to the standing stones. Many persons related to have seen the fairies dancing between the stones...And some where invited to dance along with thel as well. Which could be dangerous. There is a story about a girl who was almost hitted to death by the fairies because she had told her family she had been invited to the dance, and another about a girl that suffered a great shock when her brother found her, sitting motionless behind her spinning wheel, eyes wide open but seeing nothing. The poor brother tried to awaken his sister, and when she gave no sign at all he became so anxious he emptied a bucket of water on her head and slapped her in her face. Then the girl awoke, and was quite angry: she had been dancing with the fairies, and though it wqas quite easy to return at the right time, he had hurted her a lot by dragging her back into this world this way. Another story tells about a girl that tells her brother she dances with the fairies, and invites him to join them between the stones. But before the dance started, he was not allowed to make any noise. But just as they start, he meets a friend and says hi to him. At the same moment the fairies and his sister disappear. When she came home later that night she told him the had gone to an isle nearby to dance over there. And a last one: Someone went out to dance with the fairies, but as there where people in the neighbourhood and they feared to be seen, the 'transported' themselves to Nantes, some 150 kilometer away. When they had danced for hours, they came back to Carnac, and the man rushed to his house fearing he had been away for a long time. But as he arrives, the family has just finished eating their supper, and his mum askes him where he has been: in Nantes, he replies. Mum: That isn't possible, as you've only been away for ten minutes.... Interesting stories, from the first part of the twentieth century. The things that interest me most are the story about the girl behind her spinningwheel, and the man that went to nantes. The girl apparently travveled to Faery in the spirit, whil her body stayed at home, and the man travveled body and spirit to Nantes within the wink of an eye...And also, the man thinks he has stayed for hours as he has only been away for ten minutes, a very traditional motive. People in those villages who were known to have contacts with the fairy world where feared and respected, as the were supposed to have certain powers, to 'know' things. How are we to understand this fairy world. The story of the spinning girl intrigues me, as it sounds so very modern, as a trance journey...Journeying to the realm of faery, anyone who can sensible things on that? x Ennys (obodie, for the record )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 18:04:47 GMT -1
Fairy Flax. How do faeries wash their clothes ?
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Post by maglowyllt on Feb 17, 2009 21:21:51 GMT -1
Your posts give me a headache, strange greek weirdo. Was that a joke, a comment or some kind of real question?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 8:59:00 GMT -1
It's Fairy Flax
flax | flaks | n. [OE flaex (fleax) = OFris. flax, (M)Du. vlas, OHG flahs (G Flachs), f. WGmc, prob. f. IE base repr. also by Gk plekein, L plectere, G flechten to plait.
--------------------------------------------------------- Excerpted from The Oxford Interactive Encyclopedia Developed by The Learning Company, Inc. Copyright (c) 1997 TLC Properties Inc.
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Post by clare on Feb 18, 2009 17:01:03 GMT -1
You sir, are a nerk. Have you anything to say about fairies relevent to this thread rather than demonstrating your superior knowledge of flowers?
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Post by clare on Feb 18, 2009 17:15:21 GMT -1
Ennys, thanks for your tales. I wonder if there're links between some disabilities and tales of the fairy? The girl sitting behind her spinning wheel in a daze reminds me of someone in a petit mal, or perhaps something else? The tales of 'changelings' of the fairies taking a human child and replacing it with one that looks exactly the same but shows signs of what we might call cerebral palsey or Downes Syndrome or other disability are quite well known, and some of these poor children were also hit or burned or otherwise abused to make the fairies return for their own fairy child. Thoughts?
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Post by maglowyllt on Feb 18, 2009 17:49:40 GMT -1
They certainly can have an almost otherwordly looksometimes. its easy to tell why they thought they may have been 'changelings'. They probably wouldn't have lived past 20 in those times either. We can probably dismiss the possibility of it actually being anything other than a genetical disorder.
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Post by arth_frown on Feb 18, 2009 20:03:08 GMT -1
Ennys, thanks for your tales. I wonder if there're links between some disabilities and tales of the fairy? The girl sitting behind her spinning wheel in a daze reminds me of someone in a petit mal, or perhaps something else? The tales of 'changelings' of the fairies taking a human child and replacing it with one that looks exactly the same but shows signs of what we might call cerebral palsey or Downes Syndrome or other disability are quite well known, and some of these poor children were also hit or burned or otherwise abused to make the fairies return for their own fairy child. Thoughts? Changelings could to thought of a autistic child, something to do with a almost sudden change around two years old. The child looks the same, but acts differently such as sudden lack of speech and aggression..
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Post by clare on Feb 18, 2009 20:53:14 GMT -1
It's only recently that we've been able to define what causes congenital and other problems in our children and some still remain a bit of a mystery. So when you get a child that doesn't behave as other children do, perhaps as you say Arth when that behaviour suddenly changes, it's understandable that some kind of magical thinking will arise. We still do it. Take a look at biodiverseresistance.blogspot.com/2008/02/changelings.html
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Post by dreamguardian on Jul 14, 2009 8:46:27 GMT -1
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Post by arth_frown on Jul 14, 2009 12:02:35 GMT -1
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