Help with a dream...

[nellie]

I had a dream a week or so ago that I'd like some thoughts on please (please delete thread if I shouldn't be using the forum for this sort of thing)

I won't go into any conclusions I've drawn myself because I want to see if they're wide off the mark.

I'd had a sinus infection (but hadn't taken any drugs for it, so the dream didn't stem from there ) and had fallen asleep in a horrible kind of treacle perception I've only experienced a handfull of times whereby the whole physical world 'feels' swollen and everything seems painfully slow. I mention this as it might be relevant that I wasn't feeling 'myself'.

I dreamt that I was talking to a man with golden hair, the sort of thing that screams australian surfer dude at you. Longish hair to his shoulders.
He was perched, half sitting half leaning, against an old brick wall, strangely around the corner from an aldi shop. This is a real place, not far from my house.
I knew I had spoken to him previously. He wanted to know if I would be attending a talk (the talk was about an obscur branch of Mormonism). I was indecisive but eventually decided that I wouldn't be going to the talk. I should make it clear that I knew the golden-haired man wasn't a Mormon. For whatever reason I thought I already knew that he was more pagan than anything but he was interested in religion.
While we were talking there were a group of crows/rooks/? sitting on the end of the wall, and they were watching the conversation. I remember thinking that they were waiting to see if I would be going to the talk as well.
When I said I wouldn't be going to this talk the man with the golden hair looked perplexed, slightly puzzled, but he said nothing. I believe we then said goodbye and I went on my way.
I walked around the corner and noticed that the crows were still looking at me. At that point one of the crows flew at me in a flurry of feathers and I raised my arms in defence. I remember thinking that the crow was aiming at my arms not at my face, which would have been more logical. I 'knew' that this had something to do with me not going to the talk Then I noticed that the crow wasn't actually hurting me and had no physical presence and I thought it confirmed my suspicion that they were otherworld crows.
Then I screamed at the crow to show it I wasn't afraid - which I was, ha! I yelled so loud that I woke myself and my other half up.
Other impressions of the golden haired man were that he was polite, charming, eloquent, intelligent...
The dream as a whole really shook me up.
When my alarm went off the next morning I woke up thinking of this dream. As I started to doze off again I dreamt that somebody was telling me 'he's known as a trickster, and he's also got a brother...'

Mostly dreams are just dreams, but every now and then some of them feel like something else, and this was one of those times. I felt I should know who the golden-haired man was... but I didn't, and felt that I should really try to find out. I think some jigsaw pieces just fell into place, but I'd really appreciate anybody's thoughts.

[deiniol]

Lugus?

[potia]

Loki is another possibility but Lugus was the first to come to my mind too.

[deiniol]

I've always mentally pictured him as a youthful blond, myself. Odin, the Early Years

[megli]

Just my type

My first thoughts went to Lugus too.

[Lee]

me three for Lugus

[nellie]

Thanks everyone... that's what I thought. (looks like it was obvious to everyone else!)

[dreamguardian]

Jan 8, 2011 20:59:33 GMT -1 nellie said:

I had a dream a week or so ago that I'd like some thoughts on please (please delete thread if I shouldn't be using the forum for this sort of thing)

Ask anything you want, nellie. If it's not appropriate or related to this forums aims, then people will either ignore the post or tell you exactly what they think ;D

I've enjoyed your contribution to date btw

[arth_frown]

I think the key clue is this 'he's known as a trickster, and he's also got a brother...'

I find dreams have a personal symbolic meaning. Not easy for others to interpret.
Dreams can take a while to work out the message, usually something in real life will help the penny drop.

[Deleted]

That does sound like a very potent dream - a 'numinous' dream I call them.

I wonder if it is to do with being new to this list and, maybe, this way of working. It seems to me to be about testing your chosen path. You knew what was right for you and decided not to go to the meeting about another path, even though the yellow-haired man might have been someone you trusted or respected. In that respect he might have been acting as a trickster, testing you out.

One aspect of Lugh is as the trickster and I believe he is associated with ravens. He's also associated with crossing boundaries and oath-swearing (making commitments) so that would fit. I don't know about the twin brother although I seem to remember that early iconography put him with twinned serpents altough I maybe wrong about that. Twinned aspects?

Or - the main features of the dream are the man and the crows - crow man? (Maybe also mormon, moor man??) I noticed you exchanged some posts with crow man and follow his blog (or not Perhaps crow/man is a sort of glyph for commitment/rejection of this path or some of it?

Just some suggestions - see if any of it resonates with you.

[deiniol]

Jan 9, 2011 19:05:34 GMT -1 gellifach said:

One aspect of Lugh is as the trickster and I believe he is associated with ravens. He's also associated with crossing boundaries and oath-swearing (making commitments) so that would fit. I don't know about the twin brother although I seem to remember that early iconography put him with twinned serpents altough I maybe wrong about that. Twinned aspects?.

Dylan Ail Don, twin of Lleu Llaw Gyffes.

[nellie]

I'd seen 'Rosmerta' while flicking through a book, and for what ever reason it tugged at me to find out more (Hence the other thread!). Which in turn led to some info on Mercury... to Lugos, and then to Lleu. And then I sort of did a double take because, as you all say my dream does seem to point at Lugus. Which is odd - I'd never paid much attention to the Irish mythology as it just didn't resonate all that much with me, so I knew knew that Lugh had most of these associations. Golden hair + crows completely threw me! But strangely enough I named my eldest son after Lugh...
I've been thinking about this dream loads, and I'm not sure at all what it means. I'm still trying to get my head around it. It doesn't seem much to hear it as a dream, but for me it's a huge deal. I agree Gellifach that it's something to do with hanging around here though, it's the first time I've felt at home in a pagany (I'm sure that's a real word!) sense
I've had dreams from my ancestors before, even seen them, but never anything quite like that dream.
I'd been looking at Dylan too, and he's described as the dark twin even though physically he too has fair hair - which also seems to fit as I got an impression of darkness (note by this I don't mean evil) about the 'brother'.

[potia]

Lugus seems to be coming to the fore in a few ways recently I've noticed.

Nellie (and anyone else of course ) - take a look at this article:
www.mythicalireland.com/mythology/tuathade/lugus.html

Deiniol passed that link on a while ago and I've recently been re-reading it.

[Rion]

Thanks for the link Potia! Started off a bit generic but developed nicely.

I've had a particular interest in Lugus ever since I lived in Lyon, although it took me a long time to work out who/what it was I was connecting with.

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2011 19:05:34 GMT -1 gellifach said:

That does sound like a very potent dream - a 'numinous' dream I call them. I wonder if it is to do with being new to this list and, maybe, this way of working. It seems to me to be about testing your chosen path.

I agree, because I believe that this is exactly what happened with me quite some time ago. I reached a stage where I felt very comfortable being here, finally amongst the 'right' people with a genuine sense of 'finding my feet', becoming aware of just how much I ached for community, for kinship, and feeling deeply grateful for firstly, finding my way here and then, even more importantly, for the acceptance with which I was met.

And then.... a recurring dream* that turned everything upside down and caused me to withdraw entirely from what I had been searching for for so long and yet had only just found. Ironic? It marked the beginning of a process which has been (and continues to be) perhaps one of the most significant periods of my life. I am still struggling to reconcile the two - the longing for community and the urge to seek complete isolation. It's bloody hard, I have made and continue to make huge mistakes which I deeply regret, but I try.

So yes, I think that it is at the moments of greatest potential and choice, that the Gods test us and push us. Nellie, I'd advise you to keep your wits about you!

*Incase anyone remembers, I did post about my dream at the time - beaked mask, cloak of feathers (black, white and red)... suffice to say I've learnt a lot about myself!

[nellie]

Thanks for that link Potia - I've got loads to think about now and look into!

boo - you describe EXACTLY what was happening to me at the time of this dream. I was so happy to find my way to this forum, and completely and utterly thought that I had been led here with a dangly carrot. So nice, that feeling of community and kinship that you mention.
And then I started feeling quite odd about everything and felt a sort of inner withdrawing from it. I didn't understand it at all because it made no sense. At which point came the dream... The strange feeling of withdrawing has gone now and I'm feeling much better...

The thing is I'm now wondering if I gave the wrong answer (in my dream)

Interestingly I've also been inundated with Jay sightings for the last 6 months or more. I'd mentioned to Potia that I knew it meant something but didn't know what it was - I'd attributed the sightings to Rhiannon, but now I just don't have a clue!

[nellie]

... and boo, that sounds like a dream that might make the world wobble... thanks for sharing your thoughts as it's really struck a chord.

[crowman]

i had a similar thing happen to me a few weeks prior to finding caer feddwyd... my dream involved me floating down some river, before walking around a huge yew tree surrounded by a animal bones and a stags skull complete with antlers....the name llewellyn was mentioned to me along with crows... lots of crows. In the past ive had severl run ins with crows....Ive had a pair of crows in my front room after them flying down the chimney and literally smothering everything in soot. When i first started out with meditation a few years back one of the first 'visions' was of a crow, a recurrent feature hence my sign-in name. Since then crows seem to be a major feature in my life, im currently being 'gifted' objects down the chimney dropped by crows... ok an empty petit filous pot and half a bourbon biscuit dropping down the chimney isnt exactly earth stopping or conjuring up images of ancient britain but i think a crow dropping anything down your chimney is pretty special! I had the dream of llewewllyn and the yew tree exactly one week prior to joining the druid network and 2 weeks before finding myself here. Bugger me if someone didnt post a picture of that same yew tree on TDN which i'd never seen before and had no idea it existed (its in kent) i was really taken aback by this. This thread just brought it back, so thanks nellie