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Post by suelittleowl on Jul 16, 2007 18:49:16 GMT -1
Must get myself a copy of the Triads - any recommendations as to edition?
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Post by Tegernacus on Jul 16, 2007 18:55:25 GMT -1
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Post by Brochfael on Jul 17, 2007 12:10:49 GMT -1
I'm going to take a stab at Gwydion. Along with Gilfaethwy he was thrice cursed But beyond that I'm reaching blind
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Post by Tegernacus on Jul 17, 2007 12:59:58 GMT -1
ahh... ok, one last clue, someone has to get this:
My fame spread far but my story forgotten my name used in a pink animation (and series of books)
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Post by Lee on Jul 17, 2007 17:57:04 GMT -1
i think its either Lludd and Llefelys. there were three curses on the island of Britain, one of which was a pair of dragons. one of those was the red dragon of the Cymru.
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Post by Tegernacus on Jul 17, 2007 20:49:26 GMT -1
great.. another three curses The screaming, the listening and the vanishing. Wrong story though. ok, maybe I made it a little TOO cryptic. Here is the answer: I am Hen Wen. One of the ‘Three Staunch Swineherds’ of Prydain was Coll, son of Collfrewi who watched over the pigs of Dallweir Dallben in Cornwall. One of the pigs, Hen Wen, was pregnant, and it was fortold that great evil would befall the island of Prydain from her litter. So Arthur gathered up his knights to slay the pig, but it escaped, Coll clinging to its back. It took to the sea and came out in Wales. In Maes Gwenith in Gwent she dropped a grain of wheat and a bee, and ever since Maes Gwenith is the best place for wheat and bees. (Her first blessing). Then she went as far as Llonwen in Penfro (Pembroke) and there dropped a grain of barley and a bee, and thenceforth Llonwen has been the best place for barley and bees (her second blessing). However, then the prophecy comes true. She goes to Rhiw Gyferthwch in Eryri (Snowdon) and gives birth to two creatures, an eagle chick and a wolf cub. Coll gave the eagle to Brynach the Goidel of Dinas Affaraon, and the wolf to Menwaed lord of Arltechwedd. These were her first two ‘plagues’, because nothing but bad comes from them. Hen Wen then carried on to Llanfair in Arfon (Llanfair Is-gaer near Port Dinorwic on the Menai Straits), where, on the Maen Du (black rock), she gave birth to her third plague: a tiny kitten. Coll threw this kitten into the Menai Straits, where it swam “like a seal” onto Mon, and was raised by the sons of Pulac. Later, it would be known as the ferocious Cath Palug, one of the “three chief molestations of Mona”. Sworn foe to Arthur, it was a “mangler of his men” until Cei killed it. (Why is it that whenever I read this story all I can think of is the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog Killer kitty of Mon, bring forth the Holy Hand grenade lol) So two blessings, three “plagues” (using the mediaeval meaning) – Brynach’s Eagle, Menwaed’s Wolf, and the Cath Palug, which, not content with being one of the plagues of Prydain, was also one of the plagues of Mon. Sources: Red Book Of Hergest Celtic Folklore, Welsh And Manx, by John Rhys 1901 www.sacred-texts.com/neu/cfwm/cf203.htmOh, and gave her name to the cute little piggy for the Black Cauldron film. Honestly… Lee, Broch and Sue, one of you go next, cos this is too hard for me
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Post by Lee on Jul 17, 2007 21:23:50 GMT -1
crikey, i would never have gotten that one! can i ask, where did you get that extended version of events from? i came across a shorter version in the Rachel Bromwich triads book but that one seems more extended. or is it fleshed out from the L. Alexander material? i will have a think and see who pops into my head
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Post by Lee on Jul 17, 2007 21:26:51 GMT -1
right... this might be way too cryptic or too shit to work out. lets see...
Gazing down at the ‘summer’ ribbon, Hounds at my side and mists at my back. My son, now, beset by demons. Who am I in the caesarean tongue?
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Post by Tegernacus on Jul 18, 2007 12:19:25 GMT -1
are you Constantine, who's son Ambrosius Aurelianus was plagued by demons... erm.. Saxons?
re: the HenWen story - I expanded it, using the three versions that exist (see that link in the story post). We know Cei fought the Palug Cat, from "Par Gur?" in The Black Book Of Carmarthen:
...On top of Ystawingun, Cei slew nine hags, he went to Mon To fight great cats. He set his shield against Cath Palwc. When people ask "Who slew Cath Palwc?" The answer shall be that where nine score champions and nine score leaders failed, Cei the fair did not.
(translation by John Matthews)
I'd be interested in finding out what the Eagle and Wolf did that was so bad though.
Hmmm... maybe you're Nodens..
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Post by Lee on Jul 18, 2007 12:42:04 GMT -1
Hmmm... maybe you're Nodens.. bingo
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Post by daibanjo on Oct 2, 2008 16:59:29 GMT -1
Just for fun, this isn't in Welsh literature or traditonal tales but in the nature of such;
A part of a bird That does not fly. Swims in the water But still stays dry.
I'll see if I can think of a good mabinogi one.
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Post by Adam on Oct 3, 2008 10:34:10 GMT -1
hi daibanjo... an egg?
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Post by daibanjo on Oct 3, 2008 15:59:45 GMT -1
thanks for trying but nope eggs don't swim and thes shells get wet
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2008 21:13:28 GMT -1
its quack?
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Post by Lee on Oct 3, 2008 21:13:54 GMT -1
no scratch that... its reflection!
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Post by daibanjo on Oct 4, 2008 2:31:53 GMT -1
very good, the real answer is shadow but i only mentioned water so i got to give it you.
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Post by Adam on Oct 4, 2008 10:03:44 GMT -1
ohh... I felt Lee's "aha"!! Nice one
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