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Post by Tegernacus on Nov 2, 2008 11:58:32 GMT -1
a few people have said "is Brython Welsh?" or "Is Brython Celtic" or such. The Brythonic areas can just about be summed up by this map. If you're new or slightly confused, take a look: (hint: the Brythonic areas are blue) www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/BritishMap.htmThat's not to say the Pictish areas aren't relevant, or the Irish or Gaulish areas. But, especially in the literature and historical clues we're investigating, pretty much anywhere in the blue area is "Brythonic", at least in the Roman/Post-Roman period. Going back into the Iron and Bronze ages... who knows? Finding out is part of the journey. |
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Post by potia on Nov 2, 2008 14:52:45 GMT -1
Question for you  Given that the language spoken by the Picts is thought to be a p-celtic language why are they not be included in the Brythonic areas? Is it because we don't have enough information on the exact language and culture? Edit: PS I'm basing my statement of Pictish as a p-celtic language on a recent exchange of PMs with Megli |
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Post by Craig on Nov 2, 2008 15:49:40 GMT -1
Brython, being a tribal societal creation for the 21st century, does not adhere to any maps of the immediate post Roman period.
So no, it is not welsh or celtic, though we are using welsh terms at the moment for some of our constructs. Thus the Picts are as welcome as any.
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Post by Tegernacus on Nov 2, 2008 17:30:56 GMT -1
yeah, that's what I mean by discovery. Pictish was probably Brythonic, so it needs detangling.
I was mearly pointing out, that Brythonic doesn't mean Welsh, as it's a country/islandwide thing. Just for newcomers who may come along.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 16:04:02 GMT -1
Another question: what about Brittany? Called as it is 'lesser Britain', it has been colonised by Britons between 400 an 600....And a Brythonic language is spoken over here. What do you think? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Brittany#Middle_AgesGwellañ sonjoù, Ennys Ennys |
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Post by littleraven on Nov 4, 2008 16:18:30 GMT -1
Well, I would say the relevance of Brittany to Brythonic is enshrined within it's name ;-)
We have Britain as a focus, but there is clear relevance to people from wherever in the world. Obviously you have to decide how you relate to your part of the world, and tell us so we are all the richer.
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Post by Blackbird on Nov 5, 2008 9:59:06 GMT -1
Yes, there are a few Breton-interested people here already. As most of us live in Britain, we don't get much posted about Brittany. However, I'd love to learn more about it, and also about Gaul, given that it's another Celtic-P area that had obvious interaction with Britain. So post away, if you want to add some information or thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 12:50:47 GMT -1
I will later on.
I am happy with your answers, as it is in Brittany that I speak a P-celtic language on daily basis, which is very close to your own welsh, and Wales and Brittanty share so much of culture and history...
The more I learn about Breton culture the more I see links with the other celtic cultures, especially the welsh one.
ennys
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Post by Tegernacus on Nov 5, 2008 19:41:15 GMT -1
Brittany is "Little Britain". When the Saxons started colonising the South-West of Britain, a lot of people emigrated to Gaul, taking their language and culture with them. It's not so much that Brittany has links with Brythonic/Celtic culture, it's because it IS a Brythonic/Celtic culture. And a proud and beautiful one. It would be interesting to know (although they may have been Christian by the point of emigration) what folk customs etc survive in Brittany, see if they are common to the ones in Britain.
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