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Post by littleraven on Nov 26, 2008 22:23:23 GMT -1
ROFL. I'd just like to make it clear - these are the last damn answers you're getting out of me on the subject. OK but if you intend to take that line you should understand when people tell you to take a hike. Did you? Missed that. If you don't want to talk about it, don't bring it up in the first place and ask yourself in the process whether this is the place you want to talk at all. If you want to throw more mud you can always PM me Now move on. Did you miss the bit about PMs? Throwing mud? Do you think that questioning what you say, which tbh on the surface carries all the hallmarks of sterotypical neo-pagan ecology, constitutes 'throwing mud'? If you think that questioning opinions is negative you are in the wrong place. As for moving on, this our hall and you are a guest.
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Post by jez on Nov 27, 2008 7:48:26 GMT -1
Otho, I suggest you re-read the Havamal. There are clearly sections of it concerning the behaviour of guests which you have missed.
'Take it outside if you think you're 'ard enough, mate!' is not one of the actions recommended to a guest who has imbibed a little too much...
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Jez
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Post by stefan on Nov 27, 2008 12:15:21 GMT -1
Hi Ancestalle. Thanks for that. What I feel is really important in the next stage of Pagan development, which for me has always been up until recently within a Druidic context is building a religious framework. I have studied this very diligently for many years now, creating the concepts conveyed on the forum. Ritual desperately need continuity. The gods/goddesses require a solid relationship that also expands your mind. A festival ritual needs basically the same substance every year, but its layers become revealed more deeply as you gain insight into their meaning, combined with year upon year of experience.
In many ways the Hypoborean thing it not remotely important, it was merely a thread to consider in getting to understand the possibility of a native British sun god. Just another hint at a possible Belenus/Apollo connection. But nothing Hypoborean really hinges on it at all. Just something to Muse and debate and again I thank Megli for his insight on the subject.
Incidental Cunnobelius, father of Caracticus is means the Hound of Belenius. For me he is my main god. On animals and guardianship. Serpents again guard sacred temples. The Omphalos at Delphi was guarded by a serpent which Apollo slew to the outrage of Zeus. This serpent was female, Bride has some links to the serpent if somewhat tenuous to prove. Perhaps some link here to the other thread?
In some accounts their are two serpents one male, one female guarding the omphalos and again this has a Pendragon feel to it.
Also serpents re Druidry of interest. The serpents egg in Pliny's account and the St Patrick stuff banishing serpents from Ireland with some stating serpent was another name for Druid.
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Post by Francis on Nov 27, 2008 12:22:55 GMT -1
Francis expressed a little concern the conversation might become heated. I wanted to reassure him and give him all the space he needed for us to understand each other. Again, consideration. Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!! I realised I just truly couldn't be bothered trying explain my perspective. It seems to be a common befuddlement amongst neo-pagans with an urban-style deep-ecology mythos, but relationship with the land is not the same thing as the teachings of Disney! To fully be deer or hare or any of the hunted needs the hunter. Nothing is gained from long life of itself. The hunted's dance needs the predator -to run fast and free from it in its day, and to feel the 'wolf' on its back when the time is right. They need a predator more than they need long life. Hiding under Brides skirts whilst the hunter runs past, and with the new spectre of old age creeping up to slowly strangle the life out of them - it seems an unlikely gift from a goddess. This maxim of "Live long, Live bland" seems a very human perspective. To have danced fully as deer, or not, is independent of the length of the dance.
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Post by littleraven on Nov 27, 2008 15:06:17 GMT -1
To have danced fully as deer, or not, is independent of the length of the dance. In neo-paganism people throw around words like 'profound' as if they were rice at a wedding. Occasionally I whoop in excitement when I read things like that, and *know* there are people out there who actually know what it means. Profound.
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