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Post by kern on Mar 29, 2005 19:24:37 GMT -1
Ive been looking for a new spritual name of lately.I am okay with the nickname I use on message boards,but I would like to adopt name that would suit me better in my path.My real name is Keith but my last name is not my paternal fathers and is of Flemish origin with a Scottish twist,my real Fathers name was Lewis,cant remember the Welsh spelling though.It may be Welsh or Scottish I am not sure. Any suggestions?
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Post by siaron on Mar 30, 2005 6:10:45 GMT -1
Annwyl Kern,
This is a dilemma, I know. I was given a medicine name in ceremony, and so did not have to choose. I did 'ask' to know what my 'other' name was...and some time after that the ceremony came to pass.
I would advise the same to you, and then encourage you to pay attention to EVERYTHING after you have made the request. It may be revealed to you in quite a surprising way. What animals/trees/elements/areas (in Britain) are you drawn to? Spend time contemplating that. Learn more about the history and folklore of the places, as well as the other spirits. Your 'true name' may come out of this source. Or, it may not. My name didn't--but that is part of the mystery.
Oh, and one other thing. Don't be in a rush or feel pressured to find your name. It will find you.
Pob Luc!
Siaron
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Post by Blackbird on Mar 30, 2005 7:02:00 GMT -1
Good advice there. I was given the name Blackbird in that way. At the time, I had just got onto the internet, and wanted a handle. I wondered out loud what my name should be, and immediately, a blackbird hopped onto a branch right by me and poured out this wonderful song.
So that was that ;D
In the beginning, 'Blackbird' was simply a net handle. But over the years, the meaning has grown deeper, and I feel that I have grown into the name. I go by the name both in real life and on the net now.
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Post by branynos on Mar 30, 2005 9:52:10 GMT -1
Hi Kern Ever since you popped up on the site I've been thinking "Ceydd" its a Welsh phonetic spelling for Keith that you rarely if ever see. Keith while a popular Welsh name is orginally Irish (the K gives it away as a loan word as there's no K in the Welsh alphabet and the C is always 'hard')
I ran across the Ceydd spelling some years ago and had forgotten it, or thought I had, just offering it up as theres probably some reason it popped back into my brain (given I have cousins called Keith its not simply that I haven't seen the English spelling recently).
Lewis as a first name & family name is spelt the same in Wales as Scotland. It's usually given as coming from the French Louis but its possible that its an anglisation of Llew (lion)
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Post by kern on Mar 30, 2005 11:29:11 GMT -1
Annwyl Kern, This is a dilemma, I know. I was given a medicine name in ceremony, and so did not have to choose. I did 'ask' to know what my 'other' name was...and some time after that the ceremony came to pass. I would advise the same to you, and then encourage you to pay attention to EVERYTHING after you have made the request. It may be revealed to you in quite a surprising way. What animals/trees/elements/areas (in Britain) are you drawn to? Spend time contemplating that. Learn more about the history and folklore of the places, as well as the other spirits. Your 'true name' may come out of this source. Or, it may not. My name didn't--but that is part of the mystery. Oh, and one other thing. Don't be in a rush or feel pressured to find your name. It will find you. Pob Luc! Siaron Well I dont have connections off hand to any medicen men/women Or even Druids or a Grove,so it would be hard to aquire a name from such a ceremony. Ive always been drawn to the Raven for some reason,as for trees and such I like Oaks and Ashes,Hence My Wiccan Name Kern AshRaven.I am drawn to All of Britian you could say so thats no help.I mean I never been so its hard to say. Thanks for the help!
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Post by kern on Mar 30, 2005 11:37:53 GMT -1
Hi Kern Ever since you popped up on the site I've been thinking "Ceydd" its a Welsh phonetic spelling for Keith that you rarely if ever see. Keith while a popular Welsh name is orginally Irish (the K gives it away as a loan word as there's no K in the Welsh alphabet and the C is always 'hard') I ran across the Ceydd spelling some years ago and had forgotten it, or thought I had, just offering it up as theres probably some reason it popped back into my brain (given I have cousins called Keith its not simply that I haven't seen the English spelling recently). Lewis as a first name & family name is spelt the same in Wales as Scotland. It's usually given as coming from the French Louis but its possible that its an anglisation of Llew (lion) Really you mean on this forum or this thread? Ceydd,,hmm neat spelling...Yeah I knew it(Keith) was Irish Which is fine with me I do have some Irish mixture also. I know there is an Island in Scotland named The Isle of Lewis and then theres the MacLeods of Lewis,I believed at one time that was where our ancestors came from,So I went out and bought a MacLeod of Lewis Kilt ,I still wear it when I can.But we have no proof at the time as to whether or not they came from Scotland,Wales or other place..95%(A guess) of them come from Wales that live in the US. Llew..hmm I heard it may come from Llewellyn,but I may be wrong...
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Post by branynos on Mar 30, 2005 16:43:57 GMT -1
Really you mean on this forum or this thread? Since you popped up on the forum, it was only when you started this thread i thought to mention it Theres a lot of cross fertilisation between Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. The Irish settled in parts of Dyfed around the 4thC AD, though I'm not clear if they left again or wheter they were absorbed. The Irish diaspora also saw a number of Irish settle in Wales, working in the coalmines and the docks in the South mainly. So its possible to have both Irish & Welsh heritage.
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Post by Brochfael on Mar 30, 2005 16:53:13 GMT -1
There are websites on the web that will provide long lists of Welsh or Cornish names.
What I did was work out an animal that suited my self-perceived personality and temprement and adopted a name related to that animal but it was adopted for re-enactment rather than ritual use. It has however become a ritual name as well.
The re-enactment name has changed slightly due to my researches into linguistic changes.
Wjen I'm being a historical interpreter, I ma now Brocomaglos but in Pagan circles, I'm still Brochfael.
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Post by kern on Mar 30, 2005 20:05:37 GMT -1
Since you popped up on the forum, it was only when you started this thread i thought to mention it Theres a lot of cross fertilisation between Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. The Irish settled in parts of Dyfed around the 4thC AD, though I'm not clear if they left again or wheter they were absorbed. The Irish diaspora also saw a number of Irish settle in Wales, working in the coalmines and the docks in the South mainly. So its possible to have both Irish & Welsh heritage. Oh Kay I was beginning to wonder there ... Yeah thats so true people couldnt just stay in one place it seems.
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Post by kern on Mar 30, 2005 20:11:52 GMT -1
There are websites on the web that will provide long lists of Welsh or Cornish names. What I did was work out an animal that suited my self-perceived personality and temprement and adopted a name related to that animal but it was adopted for re-enactment rather than ritual use. It has however become a ritual name as well. The re-enactment name has changed slightly due to my researches into linguistic changes. Wjen I'm being a historical interpreter, I ma now Brocomaglos but in Pagan circles, I'm still Brochfael. Well im not sure which animal best suites me,but like I have said for some reason Im drawn to the Raven.
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Post by Brochfael on Mar 31, 2005 8:56:13 GMT -1
The Raven is becoming increasingly popular in Celtique, Brythonic and druidic circles
The Welsh for raven is Bran. There are varients of it such as Bendigeidfran (Blessed raven, Male), Branwen (white raven, feminine).
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Post by kern on Mar 31, 2005 11:39:20 GMT -1
I found out that Cigfran is a femine form of the word Raven and that Coedwig is a masculine form for forest which is what Keith means in Irish Gaelic. Thanks Brochfael for the info... Any one know the Brythonic or Welsh for AshRaven..OnnenBran doesn't sound right to me for some reason. Or I may be just pronouncing it wrong...............Onnen(Ash) Coedwig LleuBelyn(Llywelyn) ...hmm www.mabinogion.info/BeliMawr.htm
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Post by Brochfael on Mar 31, 2005 14:40:20 GMT -1
I would suggest Bran-yr-Onnen meaning Raven of the ash tree.
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Post by branynos on Mar 31, 2005 15:43:00 GMT -1
The Raven is becoming increasingly popular in Celtique, Brythonic and druidic circles whistles innocently...
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Post by siaron on Apr 1, 2005 4:00:24 GMT -1
I, too love the Raven. I mean, what's not to love?
Bran-yr-Onnen is quite good. I like it!
Pob Bendith,
Siaron
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Post by kern on Apr 1, 2005 12:20:43 GMT -1
I would suggest Bran-yr-Onnen meaning Raven of the ash tree. Hey thanks Brochfael I like it I like it. Bran(raven) yr(?of the)Onnen(ashtree).How would you pronounce that? Have a good suggestion for my daughter she like the raven also...Her nick is Raven...Branwen seems to be too popular for a girls name.
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Post by Brochfael on Apr 3, 2005 7:53:49 GMT -1
Bran(raven) yr(?of the)Onnen(ashtree).How would you pronounce that?
"Yr" is "the", the "of" is I believe implied by the word order.
Pronunciation would be very much as an Englishman would say it except the r would be slightly trilled and Yr would be pronounced closer to ur.
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Post by kern on Apr 3, 2005 10:07:30 GMT -1
Bran(raven) yr(?of the)Onnen(ashtree).How would you pronounce that? "Yr" is "the", the "of" is I believe implied by the word order. Pronunciation would be very much as an Englishman would say it except the r would be slightly trilled and Yr would be pronounced closer to ur. Thanks ! Okay I think I got it now. Brran urr On nen that right?
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Post by Brochfael on Apr 3, 2005 13:01:53 GMT -1
Sounds good to me just don't forget to rhyme Bran with van rather than tarn
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